{"id":38593,"date":"2025-07-02T18:16:55","date_gmt":"2025-07-02T18:16:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/2025\/07\/02\/ai-band-velvet-sundown-are-an-art-hoax-spokesperson-admits\/"},"modified":"2025-07-02T18:16:55","modified_gmt":"2025-07-02T18:16:55","slug":"ai-band-velvet-sundown-are-an-art-hoax-spokesperson-admits","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/2025\/07\/02\/ai-band-velvet-sundown-are-an-art-hoax-spokesperson-admits\/","title":{"rendered":"AI &#8216;Band&#8217; Velvet Sundown Are an &#8216;Art Hoax,&#8217; Spokesperson Admits"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t<a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/artist\/2GRtyAXWUiisGYub5SGMrb?si=72e6db0e5e344aac\" target=\"_blank\">The Velvet Sundown<\/a>, an obviously fictional \u201cband\u201d that\u2019s gone viral after somehow racking up over 500,000 monthly listeners on Spotify out of nowhere, used the generative-<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/t\/ai\/\" id=\"auto-tag_ai\" data-tag=\"ai\">AI<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-features\/suno-ai-chatgpt-for-music-1234982307\/\">platform<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/t\/suno\/\" id=\"auto-tag_suno\" data-tag=\"suno\">Suno<\/a> in the creation of their songs, and consider themselves an \u201cart hoax,\u201d a band spokesperson reveals to <em>Rolling Stone<\/em>. \u200aOn their <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/velvet_sundown\" target=\"_blank\">X account<\/a>, the \u201cband\u201d fervently and repeatedly denied any AI usage after multiple media outlets reported on their mysterious popularity \u2014 but pseudonymous band spokesperson and \u201cadjunct\u201d member Andrew Frelon now admits, \u201cIt\u2019s marketing. It\u2019s trolling. People before, they didn\u2019t care about what we did, and now suddenly, we\u2019re talking to<em> Rolling Stone<\/em>, so it\u2019s like, \u2018is that wrong?&#8217;\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cPersonally, I\u2019m interested in art hoaxes,\u201d Frelon continues. \u201cThe Leeds 13, a group of art students in the U.K., made, like, fake photos of themselves\u00a0spending scholarship money at a beach or something like that, and it became a huge scandal. I think that stuff\u2019s really interesting\u2026. We live in a world now where things that are fake have sometimes even more impact than things that are real. And that\u2019s messed up, but that\u2019s the reality that we face now. So it\u2019s like, should we ignore that reality? Should we ignore these things that kind of exist on a continuum of real versus fake or kind of a blend between the two? Or should we dive into it and just let it be the emerging native language of the internet?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In the phone conversation Tuesday morning, Frelon originally maintained that AI was used only in brainstorming for the music, then admitted to use of Suno but \u201cnot in the final product,\u201d and finally came to acknowledge that at least some songs (\u201cI don\u2019t want to say which ones\u201d)\u00a0are Suno-generated. \u201cI haven\u2019t admitted that to anyone else,\u201d Frelon says. He also acknowledged employing Suno\u2019s \u201cPersona\u201d feature \u2014 the same one Timbaland is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-features\/timbaland-new-artist-tata-ai-1235356185\/\">using<\/a> with his controversial AI artist TaTa \u2014\u00a0to maintain a consistent singer\u2019s voice across songs, although he continues to claim that\u2019s not the case on every track.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tSome observers have wondered whether some kind of playlist manipulation was used to build Velvet Sundown\u2019s Spotify listenership, but Frelon dodged that question. \u201c\u200aI\u2019m not running the Spotify backend stuff, so I can\u2019t super speak to exactly how that happened,\u201d he says. \u201cI know we got on some playlists that just have like tons of followers and it seems to have spiraled from there.\u201d Did Frelon and his associates use playlists of their own to boost the process?\u00a0\u201cI don\u2019t have an answer that I can give to you for that because I\u2019m not involved,\u201d he says. \u201cAnd I don\u2019t want to say something that\u2019s not true.\u201d<\/p>\n<section class=\"brands-most-popular \/\/ editors-pick-module lrv-u-margin-tb-2 lrv-u-border-a-2 u-box-shadow-5-5 lrv-u-padding-lr-1 a-span1 u-padding-b-1@tablet u-overflow-hidden\">\n<h2 id=\"section-heading\" class=\"c-heading larva  lrv-u-text-align-center u-border-color-black a-font-theme-primary-xxs lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase u-letter-spacing-0063 lrv-u-padding-t-050 u-padding-b-0375@tablet lrv-u-padding-b-050@mobile-max lrv-u-border-b-2\">\n<p>\t\tEditor\u2019s picks<\/p>\n<\/h2>\n<\/section>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/t\/the-velvet-sundown\/\" id=\"auto-tag_the-velvet-sundown\" data-tag=\"the-velvet-sundown\">The Velvet Sundown<\/a> enigma began in June, when two of the band\u2019s albums suddenly appeared on Spotify, Amazon Music, Apple Music and other streaming services. A band that no one had ever heard of, and didn\u2019t seem to have any sort of digital footprint, suddenly had hundreds of thousands of listeners for music that the band described as\u00a0\u201cfusing Seventies psychedelic textures with cinematic alt-pop and dreamy analog soul.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tBut how real was it? The songs, like \u201cDust on the Wind,\u201d felt like generic reproductions of Seventies rock, and \u201cphotographs\u201d of the group obviously had the amber-encased glow of AI-generated content.\u00a0On Reddit, two posters called out what one poster called \u201ca completely fake band\u201d; musician and writer Chris Dalla Riva questioned their existence on TikTok; and the streaming service Deezer noted that \u201csome tracks on this album may have been created using artificial intelligence.\u201d The site Music Ally <a href=\"https:\/\/musically.com\/2025\/07\/01\/the-velvet-sundown-may-be-the-first-breakout-ai-band-from-suno\/\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">determined<\/a> that most of the Spotify playlists which featured the band came from just four Spotify accounts \u2014 and no one could explain how the band\u2019s catalog ended up on a playlist of songs evoking the Vietnam War.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tEarly this week the \u201cband\u201d <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/Velvet_Sundown\/status\/1939343833135022545\" target=\"_blank\">pushed back on its X account<\/a>, claiming it was \u201cabsolutely crazy that so-called \u2018journalists\u2019 keep pushing the lazy, baseless theory that the Velvet Sundown is \u2018AI-generated\u2019 with zero evidence.\u2026 This is not a joke. This is our music, written in long, sweaty nights in a cramped bungalow in California with real instruments, real minds and real soul.\u201d (\u201cThen make an appearance on live TV,\u201d responded one person on X. \u201cProof [sic] it make a real video,\u201d replied another.)<\/p>\n<section class=\"brands-most-popular \/\/ recirculation-modules lrv-u-margin-tb-2 lrv-u-border-a-2 u-box-shadow-5-5 lrv-u-padding-lr-1 a-span1 u-padding-b-1@tablet u-overflow-hidden\">\n<h2 id=\"section-heading\" class=\"c-heading larva  lrv-u-text-align-center u-border-color-black a-font-theme-primary-xxs lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase u-letter-spacing-0063 lrv-u-padding-t-050 u-padding-b-0375@tablet lrv-u-padding-b-050@mobile-max lrv-u-border-b-2\">\n<p>\t\tRelated Content<\/p>\n<\/h2>\n<\/section>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tSpotify, for one, has no rules against AI music. In the past, says Glenn McDonald, a former data alchemist at Spotify, \u201cfake listeners were a larger problem than fake music. It might have flipped.\u201d McDonald feels the Velvet Sundown\u2019s prominence on that platform is the result of several factors: Artists and content creators are able to pay for more exposure on playlists, he says, and the company\u2019s recommendations systems have moved \u201caway from understandable algorithms with strong grounding in actual human listening and communities\u201d and toward AI-driven systems that \u201ccan pick songs for recommendations based on characteristics of their audio.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tAdded together, McDonald says, these factors \u201cincrease the lottery-like dynamics of the system so that there are fewer reasons why a fake band couldn\u2019t be successful. Most fake bands still <em>won\u2019t <\/em>be successful, and of course nobody notices when an AI band gets no listeners, but there are no protections against it happening, and probably from Spotify\u2019s business point of view it\u2019s not even clear that this is a bad thing to be \u2018protected\u2019 against.\u201d (A spokesperson for Spotify declined to comment.)<\/p>\n<section class=\"brands-most-popular \/\/ recirculation-modules trending-in-article lrv-u-margin-tb-2 lrv-u-border-a-2 u-box-shadow-5-5 lrv-u-padding-lr-1 a-span1 u-padding-b-1@tablet u-overflow-hidden\">\n<h2 id=\"section-heading\" class=\"c-heading larva  lrv-u-text-align-center u-border-color-black a-font-theme-primary-xxs lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase u-letter-spacing-0063 lrv-u-padding-t-050 u-padding-b-0375@tablet lrv-u-padding-b-050@mobile-max lrv-u-border-b-2\">\n<p>\t\tTrending Stories<\/p>\n<\/h2>\n<\/section>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tAs for the viral attention Velvet Sundown has garnered,\u00a0\u201cit\u2019s because they\u2019re AI, not because the music\u2019s great,\u201d says one veteran A&amp;R executive, who asked for anonymity. \u201cIt doesn\u2019t feel authentic. That said, it\u2019s clearly just a matter of time before AI creates a genuine hit song. Not convinced yet it will create a sustainable hit artist. My prediction is that a hit song will appear that the public loves. At that point, someone will reveal it to be AI.\u00a0No one will care because they love the song.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThe Velvet Sundown\u2019s Frelon, meanwhile, says that music fans need to learn to accept AI tools, calling the fear of them \u201csuper overwrought.\u201d \u201cI respect that people have really strong emotions about this,\u201d he says. \u201cBut I think it\u2019s important that we allow artists to experiment with new technologies and new tools,\u00a0 try things out and, and not freak out at people just because they\u2019re using a program or not using a program. People have this idea that you have to please everybody and you have to follow the rules. And that\u2019s not how music and culture progress. Music and culture progressed by people doing weird experiments and sometimes they work and sometimes they don\u2019t. And that\u2019s kind of the spirit that we\u2019re [embracing].\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-features\/velvet-sundown-ai-band-suno-1235377652\/\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Velvet Sundown, an obviously fictional \u201cband\u201d that\u2019s gone viral after somehow racking up over 500,000 monthly listeners on Spotify out of nowhere, used&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":38594,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[36],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38593","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-pop","article","has-excerpt","has-avatar","has-author","has-date","has-comment-count","has-category-meta","has-read-more","thumbnail-"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38593","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=38593"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38593\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/38594"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=38593"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=38593"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=38593"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}