{"id":43178,"date":"2025-08-07T14:04:46","date_gmt":"2025-08-07T14:04:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/2025\/08\/07\/hayes-carll-dispenses-with-his-cynicism-and-looks-inward-on-new-album\/"},"modified":"2025-08-07T14:04:46","modified_gmt":"2025-08-07T14:04:46","slug":"hayes-carll-dispenses-with-his-cynicism-and-looks-inward-on-new-album","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/2025\/08\/07\/hayes-carll-dispenses-with-his-cynicism-and-looks-inward-on-new-album\/","title":{"rendered":"Hayes Carll Dispenses With His Cynicism and Looks Inward on New Album"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/t\/hayes-carll\/\" id=\"auto-tag_hayes-carll\" data-tag=\"hayes-carll\">Hayes Carll<\/a> is ready for you to hear his new record. Opening up about it, however, is another matter.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cTalking about it and discussing it has always been problematic for me. I\u2019ve always approached it with some dread and anxiety,\u201d Carll says. We\u2019re staring out the window of a room at the Days Inn in Okemah, Oklahoma, on a July afternoon, a few hours before Carll and<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-features\/turnpike-troubadours-new-album-cat-in-the-rain-evan-felker-interview-1234723977\/\"> Evan Felker<\/a> kick off this year\u2019s Woody Guthrie Folk Festival with a song swap in a renovated theater a few blocks away. <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t<em>We\u2019re Only Human<\/em>, Carll\u2019s 10th record in a career that dates back to 2000, drops on Friday. It is both vintage Carll and something brand new and unexplored. Everyone who has followed Carll\u2019s career knew he was one of the foremost songwriters in Americana, with a gift for storytelling and a knack for wry humor. Whether pontificating divorce and drug use on a military base (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-album-reviews\/kmag-yoyo-121103\/\">\u201cKMAG YOYO\u201d<\/a>), paying tribute to a woman who likes to lay naked and be gazed upon (\u201cDrunken Poet\u2019s Dream\u201d), or carefully laying out the hypocrisy God would surely see if \u201cshe\u201d came down to earth (\u201cNice Things\u201d), Carll\u2019s worldview and music have always been inseparable. However, with rare exceptions \u2014\u00a0such as 2004\u2019s eulogy for a friend in \u201cLong Way Home\u201d \u2014 the most notable absence in his music has been Carll himself.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThis record is a personal one that finds Carll staring down his own demons and his wishes for the world around him \u2014 and this marks his first time talking about it. If he hadn\u2019t already been open in his discomfort with our discussion, he conveys it by easing into his hotel room chair as though there are snakes on the floor.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cTodd Snider has this great quote where he says, \u2018I don\u2019t write these songs to change anybody\u2019s mind, I write them to ease my own,\u2019\u201d Carll says. \u201cI always thought that was a really cool quote, but I realized that wasn\u2019t how I approached music. I wasn\u2019t working through stuff. I was writing about things and trying to be creative, but I wasn\u2019t working on myself.\u201d<\/p>\n<section class=\"brands-most-popular \/\/ editors-pick-module lrv-u-margin-tb-2 lrv-u-border-a-2 u-box-shadow-5-5 lrv-u-padding-lr-1 a-span1 u-padding-b-1@tablet u-overflow-hidden\">\n<h2 id=\"section-heading\" class=\"c-heading larva  lrv-u-text-align-center u-border-color-black a-font-theme-primary-xxs lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase u-letter-spacing-0063 lrv-u-padding-t-050 u-padding-b-0375@tablet lrv-u-padding-b-050@mobile-max lrv-u-border-b-2\">\n<p>\t\tEditor\u2019s picks<\/p>\n<\/h2>\n<\/section>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCarll flips that realization on its head on <em>We\u2019re Only Human<\/em>. Buoyed by a jovial, freewheeling experience recording <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-country\/420-songs-nobody-dies-from-weed-hayes-carll-band-of-heathens-1235006956\/\"><em>Hayes &amp; the Heathens<\/em> <\/a>in 2024 as part of his supergroup experiment with the Band of Heathens, he sought out Heathens frontman Gordy Quist to co-produce the first Hayes Carll album since 2021. The two repaired to Quist\u2019s studio in Austin \u2014\u00a0the same place they had recorded <em>Hayes &amp; the Heathens<\/em> \u2014 along with some of the finest musicians in the state. Brian Wright\u2019s guitars, Noah Jeffries\u2019 fiddle, and Geoff Queen\u2019s steel work, among others, are constants across the album\u2019s ten tracks.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tIn the process, he worked on himself.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cMy mind is racing so much all the time,\u201d he says. \u201cI\u2019m carrying so much self-doubt and insecurity and fear, and I get distracted so easily. I would lean into old habits, old compulsive behaviors or narratives that I had about myself. They really weren\u2019t serving me anymore, and I would write about it for 20 days in a row, and then go, \u2018This keeps coming up.\u2019 Whatever the issues were, getting still allowed me to process and see them in a way that I hadn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cI equate my mind to a snow globe. When it\u2019s shook up and it\u2019s in the blizzard, it\u2019s really hard to see anything,\u201d he continues. \u201cThe first step for me was figuring out ways, daily, to let that settle. Then, I could get into what I was feeling and thinking.\u201d<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Hayes Carll - High (Lyric Video)\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ozP-LX2aMPI?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCarll wrote or co-wrote every song on the record. He collaborated with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-features\/aaron-raitiere-worst-i-ever-had-song-you-need-to-know-1351694\/\">Aaron Raitiere<\/a> on two tracks, including the single \u201cProgress of Man (Bitcoin &amp; Cattle).\u201d MC Taylor \u2014 better known as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-features\/hiss-golden-messenger-jump-for-joy-mc-taylor-1234824205\/\">Hiss Golden Messenger<\/a> \u2014 helped Carll round out \u201cStay Here Awhile.\u201d Meanwhile, Nashville duo Brothers Osborne contributed to writing the introspective \u201cWhat I Will Be.\u201d<\/p>\n<section class=\"brands-most-popular \/\/ recirculation-modules lrv-u-margin-tb-2 lrv-u-border-a-2 u-box-shadow-5-5 lrv-u-padding-lr-1 a-span1 u-padding-b-1@tablet u-overflow-hidden\">\n<h2 id=\"section-heading\" class=\"c-heading larva  lrv-u-text-align-center u-border-color-black a-font-theme-primary-xxs lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase u-letter-spacing-0063 lrv-u-padding-t-050 u-padding-b-0375@tablet lrv-u-padding-b-050@mobile-max lrv-u-border-b-2\">\n<p>\t\tRelated Content<\/p>\n<\/h2>\n<\/section>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThe writers, musicians, and Quist himself all eventually became something of a circle of trust for Carll. When he sings a line like, \u201cI swear I\u2019m trying to walk in the light,\u201d on \u201cMaking Amends,\u201d he sounds like he\u2019s trying to convince himself as much as he is the listener. That\u2019s the sort of record <em>We\u2019re Only Human<\/em> is, and Quist recognized that from the outset.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cI think that Hayes sometimes has a hard time being at ease with something this important to him,\u201d Quist tells Rolling Stone. \u201cHe cares so much about these songs and his career. But that can be a dangerous thing sometimes, and I think when you step into a studio that you have to let go of all of that. You need to be free to try to dive deep, removing all fear of what will flop or not flop. With Hayes, it was trying to get to a place where he felt free to let it happen, and trusting that it was going to be good.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tIn summing up the record and this moment in the career of Carll, who will turn 50 in January, Quist uses the term \u201crebirth.\u201d That\u2019s evident in the majority of the tunes. Even in \u201cHigh,\u201d when Carll is leaning heavily on the acerbic wit that defines him, he\u2019s still singing about growth and awareness while his mind is floating \u201cexactly at the height that I like to fly\/ I am just the right amount of high.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tLater that night, Carll sits onstage at the Crystal Theater in town, a few feet away from Felker. Carll has opened for Felker\u2019s Turnpike Troubadours often \u2014\u00a0including earlier this summer at Red Rocks outside of Denver \u2014 but the two men have never actually played a song swap together. When the lights come up, Felker introduces Carll as \u201cone of my personal heroes.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tOnly now, when he takes his seat alongside Felker, is Carl back in his element. Playing in Guthrie\u2019s hometown and at the festival bearing his name, he is the razor-sharp poet that the sold-out room, which includes members of the Guthrie family, had clamored all day to hear. He doesn\u2019t just take the fans with him in his music, they follow along with his stories and his one-liners. On occasion, he even upstages Felker, Okemah\u2019s hometown hero, only a few miles down the road from Felker\u2019s front door.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1024px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  lrv-u-border-a-2\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((683\/1024)*100%);\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-align-items-center\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"u-border-color-black u-border-lr-2 lrv-u-padding-tb-025 lrv-u-padding-lr-075 lrv-u-border-b-2 lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-text-align-center a-font-basic-secondary-s\">Hayes Carll and Evan Felker perform on the opening night of the Woody Guthrie Folk Festival at the Crystal Theater in Okemah, Oklahoma, in July. Photo: @cowtownchad<\/span><\/p>\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tMidway through the show, Felker plays \u201cHeaven Passing Through,\u201d off Turnpike\u2019s recent <em>The Price of Admission<\/em> LP. He explains it was inspired by a quiet moment watching stars and constellations with his four-year-old daughter, Evie. The tale draws cheers and a few tears around the theater. But when it\u2019s Carll\u2019s turn to follow, he opts to sing \u201cHigh\u201d and immediately tells the crowd the two songs are virtually identical \u2014\u00a0\u201cexcept mine is really egotistical. There were no children or mothers or constellations involved. But it\u2019s the same.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThat Carll charisma is on greater display on <em>We\u2019re Only Human<\/em> than on any other album in his catalog. Not that there aren\u2019t moments when the state of the world still drives him. \u201cThe Progress of Man\u201d is a spitfire rebuke of \u201cthe assholes and racists\u201d he sees pulling levers of power.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cSometimes I just start off by rhyming goofy words together,\u201d Carll says of the song. \u201cBut then I just saw something I wanted to express \u2014 the overwhelm of input and opinions and self-righteousness and certainty that everyone seems to go through life with and batter you with.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cThis record is, in large part, about grace and stillness and calmness and soul work,\u201d he continues. \u201cThat one is more judgmental, but I also feel that, too. I can still be pissed off about things.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThe rest of the record, indeed, puts grace and stillness first and foremost. Whatever the upheaval in Carll\u2019s life has been that drove him to write the songs, this is the mindset he\u2019s chosen to deal with it. On \u201cMay I Never,\u201d which he sees as \u201ca reminder to trust my spirit and my soul, and not abandon it or forsake it,\u201d Carll is joined by a handful of friends and fellow artists. Ray Wylie Hubbard, who inspired the song, adds his voice to a verse. So do Shovels &amp; Rope, Darrell Scott, Nicole Atkins, and Band of Heathens\u2019 Quist and Ed Jurdi.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThe Days Inn in Okemah, while aptly described as \u201cwhat you surely imagine when you think of a Days Inn in Okemah,\u201d is still the town\u2019s flagship motel, and a de facto gathering place for artists playing the Woody Guthrie festival. In the parking lot before we talk, I introduce Carll to Brad Piccolo, one of the founding members of the Red Dirt Rangers. The Oklahoma bluegrass band is an early influence on the state\u2019s Red Dirt scene. On this day, Piccolo is boasting about the Red Dirt Relief Fund, which the Rangers co-founded nearly 20 years ago and which recently passed the $1 million milestone for money raised to benefit Oklahoma musicians in need.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tWhen I ask Carll about another of the songs on the record, \u201cGood People,\u201d he recalls that encounter while shifting from unease to unblinking and serious.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cThere\u2019s just so much negative shit out there, every time I turn on the news or open my computer or listen to the outside world,\u201d Carll says. \u201cI\u2019ve always been a believer that, at heart, people are good and want to be good. I don\u2019t hear anything about the good that people do. That guy we were just talking to from the Red Dirt Rangers said they just gave away a million dollars. That\u2019s the stuff I want to hear.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cIt gives me faith in humanity, and it reminds me that I don\u2019t know how that guy votes,\u201d he continues. \u201cDoes it matter? Yes, politics matters, and being passionate and fighting for what you believe in matters, but it shouldn\u2019t eclipse basic humanity.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThe record is not the only hard reset that Carll is pulling off. He has also found himself re-energized by touring. He\u2019s about to hit the road in earnest in support of <em>We\u2019re Only Human<\/em>, starting Saturday at the Grand Ole Opry and continuing through November. Already this summer, Carll has opened for Tyler Childers, Turnpike, and Robert Earl Keen, with crowds often exceeding 10,000. Then, he turned around and did a series of acoustic shows at clubs he played 20 years ago when he was first gaining attention as a troubadour from the Texas Gulf Coast. The day we sit and talk marks 41 days in a row on the road for Carll.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Hayes Carll - We&#039;re Only Human (Lyric Video)\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/vWKc3fAEMdo?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cTo get to go back to those places and see the pictures on the walls of Guy Clark, Billy Joe Shaver, Ray Wylie,\u201d he says, \u201cthose people are my heroes. Remembering what it felt like to just be in the same room as those guys had graced, and all these years later, I feel like I\u2019m in the fraternity I always wanted to be in. It\u2019s humbling and it makes me really happy. I\u2019ve lined up more work than I have in a long time, and for the first time in a long time, rather than dreading it, I\u2019m champing at the bit to get out there and play in front of people.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThe artists Carll rattled off, from Clark to Childers, never had much of a problem making themselves an open book in their lyrics. To hear Carll \u2014 who would still lay claim to a legacy as one of the best modern folk lyricists, even if he never wrote another word before this record \u2014 process a desire to dig deeper in his writing is striking. When we wrap up our interview, he seeks a debrief: \u201cBe straight with me. How was that? Did I ramble?\u201d and it\u2019s only in answering him that I realize Carll\u2019s discomfort is neither with the questions or answers we\u2019re exchanging. It\u2019s not talking about it that has him on edge, it\u2019s <em>hearing himself talk about<\/em> it that does.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCarll didn\u2019t just learn about himself when he created <em>We\u2019re Only Human<\/em>, he\u2019s learning about himself as he\u2019s breaking it down out loud.<\/p>\n<section class=\"brands-most-popular \/\/ recirculation-modules trending-in-article lrv-u-margin-tb-2 lrv-u-border-a-2 u-box-shadow-5-5 lrv-u-padding-lr-1 a-span1 u-padding-b-1@tablet u-overflow-hidden\">\n<h2 id=\"section-heading\" class=\"c-heading larva  lrv-u-text-align-center u-border-color-black a-font-theme-primary-xxs lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase u-letter-spacing-0063 lrv-u-padding-t-050 u-padding-b-0375@tablet lrv-u-padding-b-050@mobile-max lrv-u-border-b-2\">\n<p>\t\tTrending Stories<\/p>\n<\/h2>\n<\/section>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cI had kept what felt like a safe distance from myself for a lot of my career,\u201d he concludes. \u201cThat worked until it didn\u2019t, and I just hit a wall. I recognized I needed to make some changes, but I didn\u2019t really know where to start.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t<em>Josh Crutchmer is a journalist and author whose latest books, <\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/neversayneverbook.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\"><em>Never Say Never<\/em><\/a><em> and <\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/reddirt-unplugged.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener nofollow\"><em>Red Dirt Unplugged<\/em><\/a><em> are available via Back Lounge Publishing.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-features\/hayes-carll-looks-inside-album-were-only-human-1235401872\/\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hayes Carll is ready for you to hear his new record. 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