{"id":65849,"date":"2026-06-02T19:36:28","date_gmt":"2026-06-02T19:36:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/2026\/06\/02\/80s-shoegaze-pioneers-say-eddie-van-halen-ruined-rock-guitar\/"},"modified":"2026-06-02T19:36:28","modified_gmt":"2026-06-02T19:36:28","slug":"80s-shoegaze-pioneers-say-eddie-van-halen-ruined-rock-guitar","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/2026\/06\/02\/80s-shoegaze-pioneers-say-eddie-van-halen-ruined-rock-guitar\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8217;80s Shoegaze Pioneers Say Eddie Van Halen &#8216;Ruined Rock Guitar&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>If you\u00a0surveyed a\u00a0group of rock fans and musicians on matters pertaining to the electric guitar, eight out of 10 would probably tell you <a href=\"https:\/\/ultimateclassicrock.com\/tags\/eddie-van-halen\/\" target=\"_blank\">Eddie Van Halen<\/a> was one of the\u00a0most technically\u00a0brilliant and innovative musicians to ever pick up the instrument.<\/p>\n<p>The Jesus and Mary Chain&#8217;s Jim and William Reid would be the vocal minority, with the latter claiming the late <a href=\"https:\/\/ultimateclassicrock.com\/tags\/van-halen\" target=\"_blank\">Van Halen<\/a> axman &#8220;ruined rock guitar&#8221; with his expertise.<\/p>\n<p>The brothers and co-founders of\u00a0the Scottish alt-rock band\u00a0\u2014 whose combination of &#8217;60s pop melodies and noisy guitar squalls became a cornerstone of shoegaze in the &#8217;80s \u2014 expressed their disdain for\u00a0Van Halen in an interview with <a href=\"https:\/\/stereogum.com\/2501049\/jesus-and-mary-chain-say-shoegaze-doesnt-actually-exist-eddie-van-halen-ruined-rock-guitar\/news\" target=\"_blank\">Stereogum<\/a> last weekend\u00a0prior to their headlining performance at New York&#8217;s Total Bummer festival.<\/p>\n<p><strong>READ MORE:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/ultimateclassicrock.com\/van-halen-albums-ranked\/\" target=\"_blank\">Van Halen Albums Ranked Worst to Best<\/a><\/p>\n<h3>What Did the Jesus and Mary Chain Say About Van Halen?<\/h3>\n<p>Jim Reid, the band&#8217;s lead singer,\u00a0explained how minimalism and a relative lack of technical knowledge can shape a guitarist&#8217;s style for the better.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Not having a lot of equipment actually forces you to be more inventive,&#8221; he said. &#8220;I can play guitar, but only just. It&#8217;s kinda deliberate. I play guitar to the level that I need to play guitar. And sometimes knowing too much about making music gets in the way, and it ends up back to Eddie Van Halen again, do you know what I mean?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>William Reid, the\u00a0Jesus and Mary Chain&#8217;s\u00a0lead guitarist, then added: &#8220;I think guitar players should never learn scales. I think the worst guitar players in the world \u2014 like Eddie Van Halen. I can&#8217;t stand Eddie Van Halen&#8217;s guitar playing. I think he ruined rock guitar all through the &#8217;80s and &#8217;90s &#8217;cause so many people copied him. And I just couldn&#8217;t get any of that playin&#8217; as fast as you fuckin&#8217; can and crammin&#8217; as many notes in one second as you could. And I listen to Peter Hook&#8217;s bass riffs, and I think that&#8217;s a thousand times better than anything Eddie Van Halen could ever conjure up.&#8221;<\/p>\n<h3>But Wait &#8230; Could Eddie Van Halen Even Read Music?<\/h3>\n<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, it sounds like William Reid doesn&#8217;t actually hate Eddie Van Halen. Rather, he hates <a href=\"https:\/\/ultimateclassicrock.com\/tags\/ratt\" target=\"_blank\">Ratt<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/ultimateclassicrock.com\/tags\/poison\/\" target=\"_blank\">Poison<\/a> and the myriad other glam metal bands whose fiery lead guitarists were nipping at Van Halen&#8217;s heels.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that Eddie Van Halen\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.esquire.com\/entertainment\/music\/a13706\/eddie-van-halen-interview-2012-8147775\/\" target=\"_blank\">freely admitted<\/a> he never learned how to read music and didn&#8217;t even take guitar lessons. (He\u00a0took piano lessons as a kid.) And for all of his jaw-dropping technical innovations, Van Halen\u00a0often couched his incredible riffs and solos within catchy, three-and-a-half-minute pop songs.<\/p>\n<p><strong>READ MORE:\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/ultimateclassicrock.com\/big-4-rock-guitar\/\" target=\"_blank\">Who Are the &#8216;Big 4&#8217; of Rock Guitar?<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Jim Reid also expressed\u00a0his dislike of the term shoegaze, telling Stereogum,\u00a0&#8220;Shoegaze, I&#8217;ve got a problem with that just because it doesn&#8217;t actually exist. &#8216;Cause it was some clown at the <em>NME<\/em> made that up.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Likewise, the members of Van Halen would have rejected the dreaded &#8220;glam metal&#8221; \u2014 or worse, &#8220;hair metal&#8221; \u2014 label that their music helped inspire. Perhaps the Reids and the Van Halens aren&#8217;t so different after all.<\/p>\n<div class=\"photogallery-wrapper blog-photogallery \">\n<h2 class=\"photogallery-title\">Van Halen Live Albums Ranked Worst to Best<\/h2>\n<div class=\"photogallery-description\">\n<p>UCR ranks the five live albums released by various lineups of Van Halen. <\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"photogallery-credit\">Gallery Credit: Matthew Wilkening<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><script src=\"https:\/\/ultimateclassicrock.com\/rest\/carbon\/api\/scripts.js?mver=164&#038;gver=10&#038;bid=295&#038;urls[]=https%3A%2F%2Fbtloader.com%2Ftag%3Fo%3D5642230212591616%26upapi%3Dtrue&#038;urls[]=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.p-n.io%2Fpushly-sdk.min.js%3Fdomain_key%3DmxuuNIMSzp6MHphJEoAGlLFQ3qmwQguzkGZl&#038;urls[]=https%3A%2F%2Ftownsquare.media%2Fpublic%2Fresources%2Fjs%2Fpubcid.min.js&#038;urls[]=https%3A%2F%2Fplatform.twitter.com%2Fwidgets.js&#038;urls[]=https%3A%2F%2Fapis.google.com%2Fjs%2Fplatform.js&#038;urls[]=https%3A%2F%2Fconnect.facebook.net%2Fen_US%2Fsdk.js&#038;urls[]=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.pinterest.com%2Fjs%2Fpinit.js\" type=\"text\/javascript\" async defer data-osano=\"ESSENTIAL\"><\/script><br \/>\n<br \/><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/ultimateclassicrock.com\/jesus-mary-chain-eddie-van-halen-ruined-rock-guitar\/\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If you\u00a0surveyed a\u00a0group of rock fans and musicians on matters pertaining to the electric guitar, eight out of 10 would probably tell you Eddie&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":65850,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[35],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-65849","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rock","article","has-excerpt","has-avatar","has-author","has-date","has-comment-count","has-category-meta","has-read-more","thumbnail-"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/65849","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=65849"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/65849\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/65850"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=65849"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=65849"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/musicianvoice.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=65849"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}