Octane<\/a><\/em>, and Todd\u2019s \u201cEarrings\u201d continuing its ascent, the pair are something like colleagues, though Todd spends much of their conversation soaking up game from Toliver. There\u2019s talk of the future, what makes a great bridge, and more \u2014 but first, they revisit the sample that started it all.<\/p>\n\n\t\tWatch the video interview below\t<\/h2>\n \n\tToliver:<\/strong> I really love that song [\u201cChest Pain\u201d]. Every time I used to hear fragments of it on the internet, I\u2019d be like, \u201cBro, this is hard.\u201d It just had a vibe to it that I always gravitated towards. The song made me feel like something that I\u2019ve heard before, but [also something] I never heard before, in a sense. It had this energy.<\/p>\n\n\n \t\tRelated Content<\/p>\n<\/h2>\n<\/section>\n
\n\tTodd:<\/strong> My manager had sent me just a bounce of [\u201cE85\u201d]. There\u2019s a voice going over it every 10 seconds: \u201cThis is not to be shared.\u201d But I heard an early version of it and I was like, \u201cHoly shit, this is so good. I know he\u2019s probably making so many songs. I don\u2019t know what\u2019s going to happen to this, but even if it doesn\u2019t come out, this is cool just to have for myself.\u201d I would just play it in the car driving on the highway by myself. And then right before the album came out, they were like, \u201cYeah, it\u2019s track one.\u201d And then I saw the video, and you guys made it so cinematic and so big. I got to see the transformation of it. Like, I got chills.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> That whole process with that song is crazy. Even from the beginning of it and how we built it. But it was just one of those things where it was like, \u201cYo, this is going on my album.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> How many songs did you make to get Octane<\/em>?<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> Man, a whole year of recording. Hundreds and hundreds of songs.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> How do you whittle that down?<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> Whatever feels the most authentic to me. I\u2019ve been making music for a little while now. I kind of know what my fans react to and what I react to, so I try to stay in that world.<\/p>\n\n
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\u201cSometimes I don\u2019t have the motivation. Then I think about my kid: \u2018I got to be lit for the next 20 years. I\u2019m going to go nuts.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n
Don Toliver<\/cite><\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> When that hook comes back around, it\u2019s like you go into this whole story. What are you saying? You say one thing before you say the B word.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> \u201cYou could rip my heart out just like you did last time.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> This is exactly what we talking about, bro. You get all the way to this point. And it\u2019s like when you get to that, it\u2019s like, \u201cDamn, I feel it.\u201d I feel it. But you told a story before you even got there.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I like about your music. You love those little outros where you break it down and build it up. Even if you bring the hook back, it\u2019ll be no drums and it\u2019ll be synth parts instead of guitar. And even though you\u2019re saying the same thing you said earlier in the song, I\u2019m listening to it a different way. Boom, boom, boom. And then it\u2019s the next song.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> The live aspect has to be exciting, bro. Sometimes you might want to play the whole song and the outro, but sometimes you got to cut that shit in half and jump into something else.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> You\u2019re pretty involved in how your set list goes?<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> Honestly, bro, I\u2019m such a last-minute person. This whole tour, I didn\u2019t really look at the set list probably until I had to go on for the tour. Probably like an hour before I was like, \u201cWhat is it?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> So you got the set list on the stage somewhere, yeah?<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> They usually remind me what song is going on. But this was the first year I never looked at the paper. Every other year, every other show before this year, bro, I stare at the paper.<\/p>\n\n
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\u00a0\u201cSome people have inconveniences and it ruins their day. We put it into something\u201d<\/p>\n
Malcolm Todd<\/cite><\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> I just be having fun, bro. I be loving that music. It\u2019s me loving the music, the fans loving the music, and me feeling like it\u2019s always what I wanted to do. You don\u2019t get comfortable.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> What\u2019s your bus vibe on tour?<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> My bus vibe is very boring. Sometimes I have bolts of energy and I want to listen to music. It depends on what I got going on, but it\u2019s really kind of boring. I\u2019m just smoking on the bus. I\u2019m napping, too, because I be tired, low-key. I be feeling completely away. I might not answer the phone just because I feel like I\u2019m away, bro.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> You have an excuse to be away.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> It\u2019s like, I got to breathe. Sometimes it gets very disconnected. Everybody\u2019s in your business in a sense, because I got the security. I got my assistants. When I get there, it\u2019s like everybody who\u2019s probably on the other buses wanting to see whatever I got going on. Sometimes I just want to shut down, but then it kind of seems like I\u2019m being a jerk or something. You got to weigh it out. That\u2019s been my only thing on tour. I be wanting to be by myself a lot. Sometimes people just get used to just coming in my dressing room like, \u201cHey, what are you doing?\u201d I don\u2019t really want to talk.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> This is my first tour where I have the option to have my two homies on my bus or be very alone. I feel like I\u2019m going to get FOMO if all my boys are on the other bus. But I\u2019m worried it\u2019s going to be one weekend and I\u2019m going to be like, \u201cI don\u2019t want to talk to anyone at all.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> It\u2019s great to keep your homies around. It\u2019s an opportunity for everybody. But everybody needs to understand that you are the reason all this shit is [the way] it is. You need your time, bro.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> It gets interesting because when your homies are around, you\u2019re like a boss and a friend at the same time.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> Think about it like you got responsibilities and people count on you. Think about it more like that than you\u2019re the boss. We all family. I love all my brothers to death, but we all got to be working toward something.\u2026 What did I learn when my music started taking off? Just don\u2019t stop. Just try. And don\u2019t even think about it like, \u201cOh, I got to do what I just did,\u201d or some shit like that. Nah, just keep creating, bro. Because you never know. Every song that you create is an asset for yourself. Every single song you create. Whether it\u2019s a voice note, whether it\u2019s a one-minute song, a five-minute song, that\u2019s an asset, bro. That\u2019s the whole thing about success. You just got to keep going. None of this is promised for us.<\/p>\n\n
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\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> I feel like people get really cozy at a certain level. Then they get too in their head and try to perfect stuff, and it\u2019s four years, five years, six years. Some people would\u2019ve crushed it if they just put out the first thing they made.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> I think the thing to combat that is, when you\u2019re making that music, think about that pain. That stuff that really moves you. It might\u2019ve been one thing somebody said and you kept your day going, but the shit is still on your brain.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> It\u2019s a song.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> It\u2019s a song, bro.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> We\u2019re so lucky to be able to have inconveniences make us art. Some people have inconveniences and it just ruins their day, but we get to put it into something.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> And actually make something out of it. Especially when you perform it, because people pick up that energy without knowing your situation. As you keep making music and get more clever, you\u2019ll see it in the fans. They really understand this shit.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> Pain is pain.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> Pain is pain. Or even locking in on somebody else\u2019s pain. How could you capture somebody\u2019s situation and explain it to the world for people who might not have seen that shit before?<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> Do you ever feel pressure to release by a certain time?<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> No. I always put myself on my own timer. If I don\u2019t, it just doesn\u2019t seem like I got my shit together.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> That\u2019s how it went with me [with] this last album. I kind of accepted that, and it was beautiful because I was like, \u201cI know whatever I do by this time is what\u2019s supposed to come out.\u201d So I\u2019m looking at another album, and it\u2019s so far away from me. Not time-wise \u2014 there\u2019s nothing has come of it [yet]. Obviously I want to make great music and I want to evolve, but I don\u2019t know what it means. I feel like I know I\u2019m going to do it. I just have no idea how.<\/p>\n\n\t<\/p>\n
\u201cWhen you\u2019re making music, think about that pain. The stuff that moves you.\u201d<\/p>\n
Don Toliver<\/cite><\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> As soon as I\u2019m done with my album, the first thing I think about is, \u201cWhat\u2019s going to be my creative? Who am I going to be? Who\u2019s going to tell the story?\u201d After I dropped Octane,<\/em> probably a week later, I was like, \u201cDamn, so what am I going to do next?\u201d I think about who I\u2019m going to be first. When people connect the music and me as a person together, who am I? Then I think about the environment.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> That\u2019s crazy. I think of all of that last.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> If you think about the creative and who you\u2019re going to be first, it kind of tells the story for you. If you say, \u201cNext album, I want to go to Switzerland and make the whole album there,\u201d you already started with Switzerland, trees, nature, the geography.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> Did you have the white outfit picked out before you started making the music?<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> This album, I was kind of all over the place. I was like, \u201cNASCAR jumpsuit.\u201d Then, \u201cNah, I don\u2019t really jack that. Maybe mad scientist.\u201d Then I put on this all-white fit one day and I was like, \u201cYo, this Octane.<\/em>\u201d And I just never stopped. All-white until it\u2019s over.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> Till it\u2019s over.<\/p>\n\n
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\u00a0\u201cI want to evolve. I feel like I know I\u2019m going to do it. But I have no idea how.\u201d<\/p>\n
Malcolm Todd<\/cite><\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> I don\u2019t really got a take on it. I don\u2019t know what is the leading music, the leading force of this culture. I can\u2019t say hip-hop is leading. I can\u2019t say rock is leading it. I don\u2019t know who\u2019s leading it.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> I\u2019m confused too. It really is just energy. It\u2019s funny, because we were talking about movies and we\u2019re like, \u201cWhat type of movies? What type of music?\u201d It\u2019s all energy.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> Yeah, it\u2019s all energy. The hyper, the sad, the emo, the hip-hop, the R&B. It\u2019s all forms of energy in 2026 that we might have seen before or may have never seen before.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> We\u2019re just in a circle of inspiring each other. You can\u2019t be the most original thing of all time that no one\u2019s ever heard. It doesn\u2019t exist. Every note has been played. You just got to get the energy right. You got to have the pain. If you don\u2019t have the pain, I\u2019m probably not buying it.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> Right. It\u2019s literally the pain and the technique to make you feel like, \u201cThis is relatable, and I believe this guy.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> The pain and the technique.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> That\u2019s the two joints, bro.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> As a singer, you ever took a voice lesson before?<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> Nah, but when I was young, bro, what got me into singing more was fifth-grade choir. I tried to see what they were talking about as far as music. I was never into writing music or learning how to read music. It was the things we would do after the class. All the other kids who made music would go into a room, and we would make a beat or fucking rap all day. That\u2019s what kind of got me more in tune with just being an artist, being around other people that just liked the music, because I loved music growing up.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> How do you find crazy, obscure music? Are you just surfing Apple Music?<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> I don\u2019t really go out there to search too much anymore, but where I find the craziest music is Instagram. Stories, Reels, photos. I\u2019m like, \u201cDamn, thanks. Give me that.\u201d I\u2019ll take it from wherever it comes. If I hear it, I need it.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> Some of these girls on Instagram are so good at crafting a post that they need to find the perfect song. Their dedication to finding the perfect song for their post is honestly a crazy pipeline. They nail it. Then it\u2019s like, now you know Donna Summer.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> Now you know Donna Summer or you know whoever, bro. This girl is jamming one Madonna song, bro. Need that.<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> They\u2019re just surfing for the best vibe. They\u2019re finding the song for the post.<\/p>\n\n\tToliver:<\/strong> I love these Instagram pages that dedicate to retro music videos or retro songs. Sometimes it just hits my feed. I\u2019m like, \u201cYo, dang, I forgot about that.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\tTodd:<\/strong> You can\u2019t be put in a box. You never know which way you\u2019re going to go, and I think that\u2019s a product of confidence.<\/p>\n\n
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